Breach, transverse and birth.

Listen to Maria's positive story about her journey through late pregnancy and labour, where she details her experiences of a transverse, breach baby and how her birth ended up being completely different to her initial plan but she ended up loving the whole process.

This podcast does have a lot of background noise, and we had to take some pauses to allow people to pass on. However Maria's story was so beautiful we decided to not re-record and press on with the original recording.

Thank you mama for sharing your story with us.

Transcript

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Welcome beautiful mamas, I am your host Shea Harrison. This podcast is a place for Springfield and local surrounding area mamas to share their stories about life, motherhood and everything in between, completely judgement free. I am so excited to be able to share these stories with you and give women an opportunity to be heard. So if you're ready to laugh, open your mind and be part of a supportive sharing community, let's crack on. Welcome beautiful mamas, I am your host Shea Harrison. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks so much for coming on. So I'll just get you to introduce yourself and then we'll crack on with your story. Yeah. Hello everyone. My name is Maria. I'm a mom of two boys, a 20 month old and almost seven month old. As if you're seven months. Yeah, almost. Oh my goodness. Maria started training when she was pregnant. Yeah. And you're only 16 weeks, I think then. Yeah. Almost, almost a year ago now. Yeah. So June last year. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I'm 23 years old and I've been married years. got married in 2019 so almost three years now um yeah so i wanted to talk about so my youngest was born via cesarean section and i just wanted to yeah talk about c-sections and tell my story about um how i ended up having one and how i think it's affected me and helped me helped me to grow as a person and as a mother so that's really positive because yeah your your story is actually quite positive yeah it definitely was in the long run so yeah i'm really excited to share this? Yeah. Awesome. Alrighty. Um, I'll start from the beginning. So my pregnancy was pretty standard. Everything's been pretty normal, um, throughout my pregnancy. So originally my goal was to have like a natural, um, birth cause I had, uh, with my first time epidural. Okay. So I wanted to, he was a vaginal birth. Yeah. Yeah. So vaginal, um, epidural. Yep. Um, so I wanted to give it my best shot at having a natural birth. That was my like original, cause it was my, it was kind of a goal kind of wasn't cause I always have like an open mind and um when you say goal drug uh natural you mean drug free and vaginal yeah yeah yeah yeah so my goal was to always have like have an open mind about you know because i know lots of different things can happen unexpected yeah um but i still that was what my goal was in the end that was what i was sort of going for yeah um it's good to i think have a goal but also understand like you just said if you fixate on i'm having a drug-free birth and i'm having this and i'm having that and it doesn't come to fruition it is it's so hard to come back from after birth after labor yes So that's a good approach. I think that having that approach has helped me with both of them because, you know, of course with both of them, that didn't end up happening with both of them. Yeah. Yeah, and even with ending up with the epidural with my first, which also I think, you know, turned out for the best. You know, coming after both births, I didn't have any, like, regret or anything, which I think is really good. That's lovely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so during my pregnancy, everything's pretty standard at... I think it was like 37 weeks, so pretty late, at my midwife appointment. They did the little scan, and the baby was sitting sideways. So I think it's transverse. And before that, he was head down. He wasn't engaged, but he was in the right position. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and I'll backtrack a little bit. Before that, I've always... just had like this like irrational fear of surgery so it's always like you know everyone has like this one thing that's like they'd like their main fear yep um in mine was like surgery have you had new tonsils out or no absolutely nothing so the c-section was my first surgery ever yeah wow um and it is a big surgery and it's your baby so i can it's just gonna make that whole fear a thousand times worse yeah yep so after that midwife appointment i sort of knew straight away that um you know the baby's not in the right position and everything that can result on the C-section. So the midwives gave me all of the exercises like spinning babies and things like that, different various things that you can do to try and move the baby, make it flip, which I did for the next week and then I went for another scan. So what were some of the exercises you were given? Can you explain any of them? Yeah, so one of them, the main one that they gave me was to, so you kneel on the edge of a couch or like a chair but they usually recommend the couch um and then lean off it so with your like elbows on the floor so elbows to the ground knees up on the chair yeah so you're basically upside down upside down triangle yeah yeah pretty much yep so head um leaning down towards the floor um that's the main one um that is on the spinning babies like it's sort of like a program that all the midwives you know recommend for breech babies um Yeah, so I did that a few times a day, every day. And then I went for another scan one week later. So I think about, maybe it was around 38, 38 and a half weeks. And it had worked. Oh, success. So, yeah. Relief. Yeah. So he was head down. Engaged. Yeah, I think so, actually. Yeah, he was engaged. either engaged or like almost yeah yeah almost there you know um yeah so we just like really relieved you know we went out for lunch afterwards to like celebrate um yeah yeah good um

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I would feel relieved as well yeah and go out for a celebratory

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yeah champagne exactly Um, so yeah, after that, I was just like, I was just like, just, I was like wanting to go into labor. I was like, just like, you know, cause I always thought like it was a possibility that he could move again. Okay. Yeah. Um, so I was like, just, you know, wanting, I was like, just going to labor and, you know, eating all the chili time, you know, just, um, get him out before he has a chance to move again. Yeah. Um, so then I think it was about three days later. So I had the scan on a Wednesday and then Sunday night, I I'd just gone to bed. And, you know, every baby's, like, super active, like, right when you lie down. Yeah.

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Or

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right on your bladder as well. Yeah. So, like, oh, you're going to sleep now. I'm just going to have a party. Yeah. You know, I'm just going to do all the things. Yeah. So that's what he was doing. Yeah. And he was kicking so hard. He was just, like, moving around so much. And I could feel him just, like, moving around so much. Yeah. And then he just kicked the water's break. Yeah. water's open. So I've just felt this really big jab. oh wow so yeah actually like he just kicked it open wow i did not know that was a thing yeah that's crazy so i just felt like it's really big kick yeah waters just went everywhere wow um was it painful or was it just like pressure just pressure yeah it wasn't painful or anything yeah um just like you know big surprise obviously yeah yeah so then we called midwives up and they you know got us to go into the hospital um to get checked so we packed everything up um finished off packing a hospital bag just because you know just in case i'm staying yeah yeah um yeah so i went in to get everything checked and they're like yeah is your water's broken um so they wanted me to stay in um they didn't want me to go home just so they thought like um to keep me in for to see if i go into labor in the next i think it's 12 hours i think and then um if i didn't they induced me yeah okay so there's a risk of infection once your waters break. Yeah, yeah, I think so. So I think 12 hours is usually the maximum. cool so we just had to have a little pause um but maria will continue her story from here yeah so um yeah so they only want to around 12 hours um with your if your water's already broken um so because of the history of um he moving around a lot he'd been you know right position wrong position right position um we just asked them to do another scan um to check that he was still in the right position you know just in case yeah um and so they did the scan and he he was not only sideways, but breech. So he'd done a, so I'm assuming when he, the previous night, or that night when he was, you know, moving around a lot. I'm guessing, I'm not 100% sure, but I'm guessing it may have been when he went from head down to head back up. Yeah. But, yeah, I wasn't 100% aware that he had moved. People always said, like, you know, midwives, et cetera, have always said, like, that you'd sort of feel it if they move, if their head goes, you know, moves around. Yes. But I didn't. But I didn't feel him move specifically, him moving. breach or anything so yeah so we discussed our options with the doctors they said like you can try vaginal bridge birth or you can just go straight ahead and do an arm cesarean

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um because the hospital i was at they're quite like they've done lots of bridge births so they're quite you know comfortable that's really good it was good that yeah i'm glad that um it was an option that we could consider And it's good that they were supportive because I think there are other hospitals that don't give you that option. Yeah, I've heard of it from people as well. And then if you find out afterwards that another hospital, you could have had the option. Yeah. And that would be, I think, a hard pill to swallow. Yeah, yeah. So that's really good they had that support. Yeah. Yeah. But so the doctor explained as well. So he wasn't, the baby wasn't what they call a frank breach, so like straight up and down. So the bum is in the pelvis. instead of the head. Yeah. He was, like, breech, but he was, like, a little bit off to the side. Yeah. So neither his head or his bum... Were in the position....was, yeah, so... In the canal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. So, but they still said, like, they were really, really good with, like, letting us know, you know, all of our options because they still further said, like, if you... They recommended that we have a cesarean in that situation.

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Yes.

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But... In that, but they said, like, if you do choose to have a vaginal birth, it's possible that the contractions potentially could, like, straighten him up and make him move. Oh, yeah. But I just thought, like... you know, I could still end up with cesarean anyway because, you know, breech birth, you know, awkward position. Yeah. Um, and I'd already, you know, we'd been in there, I think we'd been, um, in the hospital for a good few hours, I think, up to that point. Had you started contractions? I hadn't, no. Just your water and that was it? Just, yeah. And obviously him being in the wrong position. Yeah, yeah. So I didn't end up having any single contraction. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, um, yeah, so we were talking about, um, decide trying to decide you know um one or the other yeah and i just thought i'd rather just go ahead and just get the cesarean and just get him out because you know i thought i could potentially go through goodness knows how long hours of labor um my labor with my first was like really long yeah extremely long yeah um yeah so i didn't want to have to i just thought yeah i just eventually decided you know just go straight to c-section yeah um just because then i could just end up having one anyway yeah you know there's like a super high chance that I could have just ended up with one anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I decided. And yeah, I mean, the whole, like the C-section, like having it and the recovery was... much, much more positive and much better than I anticipated it, which was pretty good. In comparison to your first as well, was it harder? Um, the recovery, the recovery definitely kind of fine with the, um, the vaginal birth, obviously, you know, like the actual birth is harder, but then the recovery is a lot easier. Um, and then with the cesarean, um, the recovery is harder, but the actual birth is easier because you just, you know, get the C-section done. Um, And it's really quick as well. It was quite fast. I think the whole, from when I went into the theatre to when I came out, it was probably like 45 minutes. Wow. Which is really quite fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it was, it ended up being really good because it wasn't, you know, emergency, emergency. It didn't have to go in ASAP. I had the chance to meet and have a little chat to like all the midwives and obstetricians and all of the doctors that were going to be there came in and introduced themselves and everything, which was really nice as well. But yeah, and the recovery. Yeah, so the recovery was, I feel like a lot quicker than I expected. I think I was back at training at eight weeks. You had a clearance. I just want to put that out there. Yeah. You had gotten a clearance from her doctor to return to exercise. Yeah. Which I was quite surprised to get it straight away as well. Because I didn't know what to expect with the recovery and how long it would take and everything. Yeah. But, yeah, I think so even though having a C-section wasn't my original plan, it was quite a positive experience. And I think, you know, I'm quite glad that I've had it. You know, it's like now it's like just like one more, one less. It's kind of like helped, you know, of course helped me to get over that irrational fear of surgery. How did you feel? Obviously, you made the choice to have the cesarean. Like it wasn't your first choice, but there was the choice made. Yeah. How did you feel then going into surgery having this fear? Were you feeling positive because you'd been able to make the decision? What were you thinking? How were you feeling at that point? I was kind of feeling like a mixer of both. I was quite nervous. But at the time, I think I was probably more nervous about having a C-section before when he first. at that first midwife appointment but then actually at the time going into it I felt pretty confident about the decision I think because having I did have quite a bit of time to think about it really because from when we first went into the hospital when my waters first broke to when he was born was about 12 or 13 hours between that time so yeah I had like a good few hours to think about it and you know there was no rush or anything because I had like you know 12 hours before they would need to like induce me or do anything really yeah so I think because I had a fair bit of time to think about it and it wasn't an emergency you know situation I think that helped to I guess feel a lot more positive about it and at the time I don't remember feeling extremely nervous or anything definitely a bit Did you feel like it gets to the point where it's about the baby? Yeah. Like it's not so much now about you having a cesarean, it's about getting your baby here safely? I think so, yeah. Because, yeah, so I think earlier on I was more focused on... you know, like the cesarean and like how I was, um, quite scared of having to have surgery and like, you know, that sort of thing. But yeah, definitely like at the time I was like, you know, thinking more so about him and, you know, thinking like, right, you know, do, um, the waters have already broken and he has to be born pretty soon and like, you know, have to, um, prevent risks of infection and all that sort of thing. Um, and also the fact that, um, there is risks with a breech birth, of course. Yeah, so I think just I was thinking more about him at that time, so that sort of helped me to not be as scared, I guess, about... Mum's become fearless. Yeah, exactly. That's kind of how it felt, you know, how at the time you kind of just get like the... when you're actually going into it, whether it's a vaginal birth or a C-section, whether it's natural or whether you have an epidural, I feel like when you think about it beforehand, like... During the pregnancy, you might be a bit scared of the birth or whatever, but then when you actually are in it, when it's actually happening, Yeah, you just get all of this strength that you didn't know you had. Yeah. That comes, like, right when you need it. Yeah. So that's kind of how it felt, I think, you know. Yeah. Going into it. Yeah. So. Do you remember, obviously, because you've had the decision, I'm going to keep referring to it as you made the decision to have the cesarean. Yeah. Do you remember, like, gowning up and moving from one bed to the other bed and the whole process? Yeah. And was that, like, how did you feel through that? Were you just so focused on, like, let's get baby out? Yeah. Yeah, kind of sort of felt like, yeah, so I just, after I'd made the decision, I just got to that point where I was just like, right, let's just do this and just get it done and then maybe he'll be here and we'll meet him. And also, of course, the excitement of like, you know, knowing that he's going to be here. Yeah, exactly. Like when we were getting ready to go into the theatre, I was like, right, like he's literally going to be here in like less than an hour.

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Yeah.

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And that helped as well because then I was like, you know, I feel excited about like we're going to meet him like so soon. Yeah. Did they? like through the, with the, the actual surgery, did they tape your arms down or? Yeah. I haven't had a cesarean, so I don't really like I've seen pictures and things like that. Yeah. Um, it's sort of like a, um, like a weighted blanket. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, um, they, so you're sort of on the, um, operating table and then you have your arms out. Yes. Like that. Like a T. Like a T. Yeah. And they sort of, it's like a half. So on the top half of your body, they put um yeah that's what it felt like sort of felt like a weighted blanket um because i remember learning in the birthing classes that we did during pregnancy oh yeah yeah um that i think when they're doing the cesarean apparently there's can't remember the details but apparently there's some kind of reflex that can happen when they do the incision and when they're um moving everything around to get the baby out um there's a reflex that can potentially happen that can cause you to move your arms around yeah and you know if you caused if you're moving too much um the like your arms and everything that's not numbed up yeah um it can cause issues and they could you know cut the wrong area or something so that's why they put um they make sure your arms are weighted down and you can't um move them around yeah or anything but um yeah i just remember um sean my husband was allowed to be there luckily i was a bit i was you know as as with both births actually i was getting a little bit nervous about um with covid and everything kind of just um who can hospital visits and everything how many visitors but luckily he was able to be there um and we played some music the midwives had a speaker in there played some music um and it was really nice like he was absolutely amazing like during the c-section when they were doing it he was sort of just like um just like talking and distracting me and he sort of just talked about memories and things like that and we talked about our holiday to Portugal that we'd done in 2020 and we just talked about all the memories and things that we fond memories and things like that which was really nice and yeah it just went really fast and because you said 45 minutes yeah roughly yeah from when um Yeah, from when you go in to when you came out, it was 45 minutes to an hour, which is pretty fast. Did Sean get to cut the umbilical cord? How does that work? You can, but he was not really a fan of... He didn't really want to. He kind of just wanted to stay up. Yeah, as a top head. Yeah, he was a little bit squeamish about that kind of thing. Okay, that's fine. But yeah, they did give him the option. Oh, that's nice then. Yeah. Yeah, good. Yeah, so... And then did he, after he... was born did he get put on your chest or did he yes yeah or he um they went they took him over to the um table just to check him and do all of those things you know literally just five minutes yeah yeah and then they take him back put him on chest oh yeah how big was he good um eight pounds three which um maria is tiny through her whole pregnancy she looked like she just had a basketball under her shirt and a small like a kid's basketball my first was eight pound twelve wow so he was even bigger um It's funny because eight pound three is what I weighed when I was born. Oh, really? Yeah. So it's exactly the same. That's crazy. Yeah. Cool. I had another question. So he was then brought on your chest and then did... Like, do you just go to the birth suite? Not the birth suite, sorry, like the ward together? Or did he have to go into NICU or anything? No, no, luckily. So, yeah, so we just, I think we went into... So we didn't go straight to the birth suite. We did go into another room, which also I can't remember what it was called, for about one or two hours just to monitor. Yeah. Monitor me. Yeah. Just to make sure that, you know, the spinals... wearing off and everything. They checked the blood pressure a few times. Yeah, pretty much just for, you know, some extra monitoring just because of the spinal and everything, the surgery. Yeah, and then if everything's all good, then you go off to the recovery ward there. And did you feel good? Like, I know after having my girls, like, I was just buzzing.

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Yeah.

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Like, I should have been exhausted, but I felt, like, full of energy and I didn't want to sleep. Yeah. I just wanted to look at them. Did you feel like that? Yeah, which was quite crazy because I remember thinking beforehand that, Um, Yeah, I remember, you know, remembering how you feel after, how I felt after Michael was born, you know. You have all this energy, this, like, newfound energy that just suddenly comes up after they're born. Yeah. And I was wondering if it would be the same, and it was. Yeah. Probably not quite as much. Yeah. Just because, I guess, the spinal's a lot, I mean, I still had the epidural of Michael. But, yeah, the spinal was a lot more stronger. Yeah. A lot more strong. So, probably not quite as much as... um the as my first yeah yeah still do like so I guess all those natural hormones and everything still come um even with the cesarean which is nice yeah that's really good did you find so with Callie my eldest um the love grew but with Cora straight away I loved her yeah did you was that how did you feel with your boys um love them from like the get-go yeah yeah straight away yeah yeah it's funny how really like your brain and your emotions and everything probably process so differently yeah yeah but I think um yeah either one you know um I think a lot of the time a lot of people you know obviously say um you know like oh you'll you know you'll love the baby straight away you know but a lot of people I've heard from a lot of people even that you know it's um I guess that like immediate connection um that everyone seems to say like oh you know happens to everyone but it doesn't happen with everyone you know and I think even if it doesn't happen straight away you know that That's still, you know, I still think it's totally normal. Yeah, it is. Because everyone's different, of course, you know. Yeah. Everyone's going to process, you know, sort of things differently. Yeah. Yeah. That's really lovely. And then how long were you in hospital for? Two nights. Two nights. Yeah. Yeah. So they try to, so I think I was, they got me out of bed that night. So he was born at 9 a.m.

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And they got me out of bed just to walk to the bathroom that night. I think it was maybe around 9 or 10. How did your legs feel? Were they like jelly? Yeah, at first. I think it was more so... Yeah, because just around that time, the... spinal's wearing off yeah um yeah so that first that first walk that first time getting out of bed is quite was quite difficult um but they say you know like that first one you just like get the first time done and then subsequent each time that you get out of bed it gets easier yeah from there um they wanted they wanted to they first like suggested you know asked me how i was feeling to get out of bed i think it was around 4 p.m it's a bit earlier on yeah And I was like, nope. I was like, no, I can't get out of bed yet. And I just like mentally didn't want to try yet to like, you know, get out of bed at all yet. So it was quite nice that, yeah, they gave me the few extra hours then, five or so hours. Were you worried about standing up or it just was a no? Like you don't know why it was a no, it was just a no? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I was just, yeah, I just hadn't got up to that. point yet where I wanted to try I think mentally I think it was it was kind of like you get like the rush after you know baby's born couple of hours and then I was kind of like going through that like like the, um, exhaustion was starting to hit in, starting to kick in, I guess, um, around that time. Uh, so the, yeah, so around that time, 4pm in the afternoon, the exhaustion was sort of hitting in and I was wanting to have a sleep and, um, yeah, a bit later on, um, I guess I was, yeah, more mentally prepared to give it a go. Um, and I think for me, it was actually getting up out of bed was more difficult than the walking. Once I'd got up out of bed, that was sort of felt like the hard part was over and I could sort of slowly shuffle my way. Um, to the bathroom because your core strength is just gone yeah yeah it's sort of like you turn over you know and you use like so much core strength and you don't realize just normally how much core strength you need to do like everything almost yeah so once it's gone it's like whoa it's just like it's a massive shock and i remember even after michael was born you know um how much you sort of notice after that but um yeah so once i got out of bed walked to the bathroom back again the first time um it got a lot easier from there yeah um yeah and the core strength does come back quite fast, I've learned. Oh, really? Faster than I expected, really. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. That's good. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Cool. Is there anything that you wanted to add? Yeah, I just think, you know, to anyone else out there that may be listening to today that if that may be in the same situation, that may need to have a cesarean, even if it wasn't like their original intent, they wanted to have a natural birth or a vaginal birth, whatever else their plans might have been, you can definitely still have a positive, uplifting experience, even with cesarean. I think, you know, of course a lot of people do choose to have, you know, elective cesareans, but also a lot of people don't. And I just think a lot of the time cesareans can be, I guess, just looked at as though like something that happens, you know, you know something that like only happens in an emergency and if it happens you know you have like a bad experience and it'll just be like you know um but you can definitely yeah i feel like like that kind of um reputation almost yeah um a lot of the time they can i guess be spoken about as because i know that's definitely how i sort of felt before i guess maybe that was the reason why i was also so nervous about them yeah the um concept of the thought of ever having to have one was I guess all I'd kind of heard about them was like oh they're you know traumatic and stressful and really hard to recover from and that is definitely you know a lot of people I guess may have that experience but not everyone you know and I think that's something that isn't talked about a lot I guess how you can have a cesarean and still have like a really positive experience and yeah I guess just not regret the fact that you needed to have one even if it wasn't your original plan yeah I think it would be really good to yeah I guess just sort of bring more awareness, I guess, to the fact that if you need to have a C-section, even if it wasn't your original plan, that it's not all negative and you can still have a really good experience. I think that message can be applied to cesareans and if you're planning on having drug-free birth, but that doesn't happen. Yeah, exactly. With anything, not just... Yeah, so even if, you know... you wanted to have a drug-free birth um then you needed to get an epidural you decided to get an epidural um you can still have you know even if your plan changes last minute like your birth plan or your goals um for whatever that was even if that changes last minute um depending on what your situation may be um yeah it's not all you can still come out of that um with just feeling like you had a really positive experience. And yeah, I think that definitely needs to be talked about more. Because I'm thinking more specifically like... Like, I guess, um, I guess in my, from my experience, what I can think, you know, I've seen, you know, things online like on Instagram or, you know, anything. Not everyone, of course, but I guess just the way, the general way that birth is spoken about, you know, a lot of the time I see, um, you know, things said like, um, I guess just a general idea that if it doesn't, um, happen, you know, the way that you'd like, if you needed a cesarean, et cetera, um, that's, you know, definitely something that you just really need to avoid that. And, um, but you know, that's not the case because, you know, I think cesareans and epidurals and all of that like exists for a reason and we are definitely more better off because of the fact that they exist, you know, and cesareans have saved so many lives in, um, really emergency situations and they're a good thing like they're a positive thing it's good that we have them it's not a bad thing and it doesn't mean that you fail yeah as a mother or you failed your baby or anything just because because you needed one you know yeah um yeah i think that needs to be talked about more yeah i think the like the positivities of cesareans and epidurals are not just

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um that if you needed to get one but you didn't want one that that's a bad thing because it's not it's not bad I think it's good. Well, you've said like you haven't failed your baby. Exactly. Because you need one. Yeah. You haven't failed yourself because you need one. Yeah. And I think, you know, in the future if I have more children, I would still like to try to have a natural birth. But if I don't, that's totally okay as well. Just whatever needs to happen, I think. You know, at the end of the day, the goal is healthy mother and healthy baby. So whatever needs to be done to achieve that, I think it's, yeah. It's good. It's kind of a good experience. Awesome. That's so lovely. Well, thank you so much for sharing your uplifting and positive birth story. We've had, yeah, not everyone has that experience. So it's been really lovely for you to be able to share that. Yeah. So let's finish with some of this or that. So burpees or get ups?

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Burpees.

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get no burpees burpees yeah tea or coffee coffee coffee yeah wine or do you drink occasionally sometimes okay just like in a social setting I might have like one drink okay would you rather have no arms or no legs oh that's a hard one um probably arms no arms yeah and if you could live anywhere in the world which one would it be where would it be um probably probably the somewhere really close but i'm probably gonna go and say the gulf coast because i love queensland i would never want to i always want to live in queensland yeah yeah um and i also love the beach so i think like living right next to the beach in queensland would be perfect yeah nice which kid's your favorite trick question they're both even awesome well thanks so much for coming on and sharing your story